Amazon Organizing For Real?

[Hiway80]

There are reports that the top-down deal, done by JC42 and Local396 was accomplished after Amazon had terminated the third party operator that they had "organized". What's up?

[Nights]

More information on Amazon "organizing".

[Koldiww]

The contractor lost his contract with Amazon and was given notice that he was going to lose it prior to coming to an agreement with the Teamsters. So no Amazon drivers are Teamsters. You can't organize one Walmart, you can't organize one Amazon contractor. There is no leverage and all that happens is people lose their jobs. There were 7 other contractors working out of that warehouse, none of the other drivers participated. The contractors have one (1) year contracts, and if they are organized they lose the contract. Perhaps the Teamsters should use this contractor to prove that Amazon is a co-employer, which they certainly are, as they own everything. They use Amazon"s DOT license, Amazon owns the trucks, and decides the volume and routes. I wonder how long Oz will continue to brag and BS everyone until they admit the campaign was a shame?

[Faust]

Sean O'Brien is what he is, a pathological liar!!!

[Nickjamesups]

So did these drivers work for Amazon or did they work for a third party ? FedEx does the same thing in many location’s, the drivers are contractors who work for a broker and are not FedEx employees. It’s great if they unionized but if they are not Amazon employees then we did not organize any Amazon drivers . It’s a simple question who is their employer ? Why can’t we get straight answers? Also , do they have a contract with Amazon to still deliver Amazon packages ?

[Nights]

The contractor lost his contract with Amazon and was given notice that he was going to lose it prior to coming to an agreement with the Teamsters. So no Amazon drivers are Teamsters. You can't organize one Walmart, you can't organize one Amazon contractor. There is no leverage and all that happens is people lose their jobs. There were 7 other contractors working out of that warehouse, none of the other drivers participated. The contractors have one (1) year contracts, and if they are organized they lose the contract. Perhaps the Teamsters should use this contractor to prove that Amazon is a co-employer, which they certainly are, as they own everything. They use Amazon"s DOT license, Amazon owns the trucks, and decides the volume and routes. I wonder how long Oz will continue to brag and BS everyone until they admit the campaign was a shame?

Good post! Put a few facts together, ignore the reports from the IBT and a clearer picture comes together. Using this to establish a co-employer status could be a side benefit, but i have no confidence that this clown car had that as the intent. Rather this is the short term PR move that we've come to expect, reminds me of the ridiculous claim of gaining 206,000 new members last year.

[Thisischange?]

The contractor lost his contract with Amazon and was given notice that he was going to lose it prior to coming to an agreement with the Teamsters. So no Amazon drivers are Teamsters. You can't organize one Walmart, you can't organize one Amazon contractor. There is no leverage and all that happens is people lose their jobs. There were 7 other contractors working out of that warehouse, none of the other drivers participated. The contractors have one (1) year contracts, and if they are organized they lose the contract. Perhaps the Teamsters should use this contractor to prove that Amazon is a co-employer, which they certainly are, as they own everything. They use Amazon"s DOT license, Amazon owns the trucks, and decides the volume and routes. I wonder how long Oz will continue to brag and BS everyone until they admit the campaign was a shame?

This is the problem with the independent contractor model. The laws allow this kind of run around for employers. This makes me wonder if they knew they were losing the contract and thought organizing would save them?

[Nickjamesups]

I have a thought ! We have a director of organizing, correct ? I think his name is Roswell , we have a Vice President who has been an organizer for 20 years John Palmer , correct ?
Why can’t we get a statement from either or both of these two ? While we are at it how about an explanation of how we added 200,000 new members ? All these things are great if true let’s get the answer!

[Truthspeaker]

Sounds logical to me , has anyone else noticed that questions asked are basically ignored ?

[Faust]

I have a thought ! We have a director of organizing, correct ? I think his name is Roswell , we have a Vice President who has been an organizer for 20 years John Palmer , correct ?
Why can’t we get a statement from either or both of these two ? While we are at it how about an explanation of how we added 200,000 new members ? All these things are great if true let’s get the answer!

My understanding is that John Palmer has been removed from the organizing department a la Hoffa style.

He has been relieved of all assignments!

[nonstarter]

Huge!

[Truthspeaker]

https://www.uschamber.com/employment-law/unions/teamsters-claim-they-formed-a-union-at-amazon-except-they-didnt

[UPS909Strong]

Whoever is leading the Teamster's Organizing campaign for Amazon needs to be fired

[Jazzman]

The IBT could have been more honest about this from the start, that may not be in their nature, but there are legitimate reasons to "organize" these drivers. While Amazon has been getting away with using 3rd party operators and claiming they are not Amazon employees. On the face of it they do not meet the tests to be determined to be independent contractors. California is the perfect place to test the joint employer case

[UPS909Strong]

Amazon workers do not want to be part of the Teamsters. I work at UPS and Amazon. We don't trust the peeps from 1932 and their Boss. Wasn't 1932 public sector? How did Crooked Korgan get the top spot? How did Korgans girl go from receptionist at JC42 to Business Agent at 1932? So much corruption

[chunks]

Hi, I work at UPS (rank and file, part-timer) and am a former Amazon worker and labor salt- I worked in an FC in 2020 for the purpose of organizing with coworkers. I've volunteered as an external labor organizer on a successful organizing drive and first contract campaign, and do a bunch of other organizing stuff.

I think the Teamsters organizing Delivery Service Partner (DSP) drivers is entirely about challenging the subcontractor status of those workers and not about actually getting them into the Teamsters. The subcontractor legal fiction does need to be challenged and that is a fight the Teamsters can take on and grind in the courts. If they have done their research and believe they have a chance to win in the courts overall that's to some good; it's just not the same as organizing workers.

[Excellent Driver]

You have a particularly unique perspective UPS/Amazon I hope we hear more.