Zuckerman to retire after UPS contract putting an end to the OZ/TDU alliance

[Guest]

TDU was part of the Carey coalition in the 90s. They are part of the OZ coalition now. You don't need to be "the opposition" all the time, particularly when the platform you support is in office. Then the hard work needed by the Union needs to get done and the best ideas and leaders show up. OZ is on record that the coalition will last for a long time.

I’m starting to think that TDUers really believes their own bullshit. There is no coalition. OZ told anyone that would listen that they needed the TDU candidates and endorsement to win, that they are not TDU and would destroy TDU from the inside over time. It’s already happening.

The best ideas and leaders are not turning up for a good reason…..no one trusts this hostile administration. And they shouldn’t.

[BEBOP]

TDU was part of the Carey coalition in the 90s. They are part of the OZ coalition now. You don't need to be "the opposition" all the time, particularly when the platform you support is in office. Then the hard work needed by the Union needs to get done and the best ideas and leaders show up. OZ is on record that the coalition will last for a long time.

With the recently confirmed “Nondisclosure Agreement” that UPS Rank & File committee members had to sign, one has to wonder what TDU’s response will be. I can already hear the crickets chirping! TDU had built its reputation on “Opposing” and bring to light the lack of democracy in our union. I can’t think of anything more undemocratic then shoving a sock down our throats. If OZ believed in or trusted us all they had to do was ask.

[Dudeman44]

I can't imagine TDU will say anything about it openly until we have a new contract. You can't risk blowing the whole thing up in the middle of negotiations. Unless negotiations really go off the rails... Then anything's game. Short of that, they'll probably wait, try and deal with it afterward. Some people I know don't even have confidence they'll do that though. They really did gamble their entire credibility behind this coalition. Anything short of a home run would be damaging, even if they spoke up about it.

[DanaCos]

SOB and Zuck were not burned. SOB saw the results of the last election and knew he had to jump ship and created a constructive discharge. Had zuckerman not been such a privileged lil white boy, he would of been on the GEB. Make no mistake, these guys are not reformers, they are just mad at the world.

If you know Fred like I know him, then I would say you are right.

[Nights]

The notion that O'Brien broke with Hoffa because Hoffa wasn't tough enough on UPS is a load of crap. O'Brien had been one of the premier ass kissers and knew like everyone else on the planet that Hoffa wasn't going to run again. He convinced Zuckerman who scared the shit out of Paff and the rest is history. Its worked out well for O'Brien, TDU on the ropes, and as a bonus a chance to name a GST.

[Guest]

The notion that O'Brien broke with Hoffa because Hoffa wasn't tough enough on UPS is a load of crap. O'Brien had been one of the premier ass kissers and knew like everyone else on the planet that Hoffa wasn't going to run again. He convinced Zuckerman who scared the shit out of Paff and the rest is history. Its worked out well for O'Brien, TDU on the ropes, and as a bonus a chance to name a GST.

It was actually SOB that colluded with UPS to get members fired. TDU knew this and still went all in for this retrograde team of misfit toys. Even gave SOB spots on their board and gutted language in their bylaws. It would be funny if the consequences weren’t so dire for us.

[DanaCos]

It was actually SOB that colluded with UPS to get members fired. TDU knew this and still went all in for this retrograde team of misfit toys. Even gave SOB spots on their board and gutted language in their bylaws. It would be funny if the consequences weren’t so dire for us.

Ha, that's funny and true. I was fired 4 times since 2013 (The real reform movement). My Executive Board wanted me fired so bad. When I was out the first time, Joan McGovern distributed pictures of me with guns (I am a responsible gun owner), then she approached a division manager telling him she didn't want me back because I was "dangerous" while showing these pictures. Isn't that right Richard Hooker (Hookrabsi)? You were there when you were kissing that E-Board's ass. Then you told me months later she did it, while you were running for office masquerading as a "reform" candidate. Gee, thanks for nothing! We have way too many phonies in this union. You don't think that "brother" standing next to you in the movement wouldn't stab you in the back, think again.

Ask Jim Merrit,, our ex-principle officer and Hoffa sucker, who hated Hoffa the most since day one. That moron is over at the Vote No page on Facebook calling me an a-hole and acting like Hoffa was the problem all along, just like many others.

But, yes, TDU doesn't care when people get fired. They didn't care about me. Then they had the balls to get their Teamsters United lawyer to contact me about giving them a statement about my video where I confronted Ken Hall about our sham contract.

So sad that 140,000 people had the best healcare money can buy and lost it due to d-bags with alter egos. Maybe it's time for me to dust off my camera and confront these phony *****s again.

[Koldiww]

With all due respect, Obrian is completely controlled by the combination of the DOJ/TDU/IIO, the Holy Trinity, who really controls the Teamsters Union. This has been the case since the consent decree and seemingly will remain this way for the foreseeable future. Carey, Hoffa, now Obrian all under the thumb. The difference now is that Obrian has three masters overseeing his every move. There is a reason the Oz bunch fired all of the talent. Simple to figure out if you think about it.

[Faust]

O'Brien is a piece of dog excrement like all the old guard scumbags.

He fired all the talent? How did all the talent manage to allow the membership to dwindle down from 1.6 million to under 1.2 million in 23 years?

Were you part of that team that got paid to sit back and get fat as we watched our membership decline?

[percap2high]

Unfortunately there's a lot of Teamster history that points to that "Holy Trinity" conclusion. But I think you give TDU way more credit than it deserves.

[Faust]

TDU is dead. They are no longer a factor.

[Koldiww]

Frankly, TDU, at least at the Paff level, was always a controlled tool of the DOJ. A lot of well-meaning members were pulled in by their scam. Many won't be able to see the truth or admit that Paff was totally a rat, who was only interested in the power the DOJ/IRB gave him. Could be a bit of an over statement, but closer to the truth than not.

[Gimliboston9]

I don’t think it is an over statement! You are giving rats a bad name !