Local 251 election

[Teamsterstrong]

Yeah ok they make 5 people hold signs at ups lmao strong support ????! I don’t work at ups ! They put people on Facebook without their approval! Desperate times calls for desperate measures

[Mr. Teamster]

What has not been reported here (as I understand it) is that, Sean O'Brien personally intervened to stay the suspension of an elected Local 251 BA pending the outcome of that member's appeal to Joint Council 10. O'Brien's stay of the BA's suspension was implemented despite a 7-0 Local 251 Executive Board decision. O'Brien's stay cost the Local 251 treasury many months of full wages and H&W and Pension that was paid out to the suspended member who performed no work for the Local during that period. The JC10 decision fully upheld the Local 251 Executive Board decision, and accordingly the suspended BA's suspension remains in effect.

Three questions that active Local 251 members deserve the answers to:

1) Did the International reimburse the members of Local 251 for the wages and benefits paid out from the Local 251 treasury?
2) How common is this circumstance, wherein the IBT GP "stays" a unanimous decision by a Local Union Executive Board pending an appeal by the affected member?
3) What provision in the IBT Constitution was relied on by O'Brien when he issued his "stay"?

Without O'Brien's implementing a "stay" the suspended BA, under the Union Leave provisions of the CBA, had every right to return to work at UPS until the JC10 decision was issued. It's my understanding that the suspended BA did not return to his UPS bargaining unit job until after collecting full wages and benefits through the period of the JC10 decision. Instead, he stayed on the Local Union's payroll for months.

Furthermore, it's my understanding that the Principal Officer took no action against the suspended BA until he was required to address internal charges filed. This, notwithstanding the Principal Officer's having personally witnessed the circumstances giving rise to the internal charges.

In contrast to the way the above offending BA circumstance was handled: Another Local 251 staff member, that held the appointed position of Assistant BA, after 9+ years of service in that capacity, was summarily fired by the Local 251 Executive Board without a reason, without a hearing, and his firing was done by a telephone call days after the fired member returned from disability absence.

Among the basic tenets of just cause that Union members fight for in every contract are: 1) Was there a fair investigation of the circumstances giving rise to the decision to terminate? 2) Did the penalty fit the alleged violation? 3) Is the penalty equal in terms of discipline issued to other workers for like offenses? Local 251 staff are all Local 251 members. One would think that the Principal and other Executive Board members would be mindful of treating all staff members equally; notwithstanding there being a contractual provision allowing a just cause determination.

These events are among the sordid events that have taken place in Local 251. Prior to the above circumstances, rank and file members from the beer and liquor jurisdiction in Local 251, collectively stood up at monthly Local Union meetings to demand they be represented by a BA other than the suspended BA referenced above.

In addition, the Principal Officer of Local 251 refused to aid and assist members of the Local 251/Crown Linen bargaining unit, after their employer never paid NE Pension Fund contributions for the unit for a period of 16 months, despite the appeals filed by affected unit members. Why? Another question that Local 251 members deserve the answer to.

So, when I read the above derogatory statements about the Local 251 Integrity Slate, it demands that the facts be told. These are three Local 251 members that have been active Teamster members exercising their rights under the IBT Constitution and Local 251 Bylaws to challenge the entrenched leadership of Local 251 for legitimate reasons. They want and deserve change. And I support them!

And this is why the Internet sucks. Somebody like you that claims that they’ve got all kinds of knowledge gets in here and opens their big mouth. This happens almost 99% of the time anything like this happens. It goes to the local executive board, which is almost always 7to 0. Then it goes to the joint council. It’s usually the same there then it goes to the executive board. The last step would be the convention next year.

[AlJackson1962!]

Mr. Teamster: What's your beef? My post was about why rank and file members decided to run against the entrenched leadership of Local 251 led by Matt Taibi. The "knowledge" I'm basing my post on is firsthand knowledge, and claims that are public knowledge to any Local 251 member that regularly attended Local 251 monthly membership meetings in 2022-23. Maybe you can be more specific.

[Teamsterstrong]

4 more days till D Day ????????

[EASTCOASTMEMBER]

I said what I said. You are wasting ppls time without a full slate.
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[Teamsterstrong]

Looks like orabona gave Brooke a run for her money

[Jesslynn804]

Still looks like you lost. Looks like your antics didn't work.

[Teamsterstrong]

I didn’t lose at alll I didn’t run ! You truly don’t know what your talking about Brooke ????

[251]

[Teamsterstrong]

They came very close with only two running ! Here are the numbers they are not showing how close it was ! The first time they ran they got crushed !

[quotetheraven1031]

Uhh, sorry but this is not close. Like, at all

[Teamsterstrong]

It definitely was close Roberts only lost by 158 votes to the Eastern Region VP and Orabona only lost by 128 to the BA the is up managements ass!

[Reformer]

You went to a couple bus yards and stirred shit up. You lost by a 25% margin. Not close. If there was the normal turnout of ballots you still would only have gotten what you did. Generally when people are happy they don't vote.
You didn't run on what you would do different, a couple blurbs on a flyer doesn't show that you would do anything different, better, or that you are even qualified. Badmouthing an administration, running a dirty campaign, and trying to cause chaos at barns doesn't win you an election.
Next time focus on yourselves.

[The251Teamster]

They probably ain’t showing numbers cause they won man. If I lose something, I wouldn’t want my name out there with how much I lost by, I will tell you that. As stated previously, no one is winning with a 2 or 3 man team. It’s just not going to happen. Members have to ask themselves why only two people ran and not a full slate. The answer is simple

[AlJackson1962!]

Local 251 has over 6000 members. Apparently only around 800 were motivated to send in their pre-addressed stamped envelope with their ballot. What does that say about the rank & file's motivation to make certain the entrenched leadership remains in office?

[The251Teamster]

I think that members vote in mass when there are issues that desperately need to be resolved. I think some become complacent when things are going well overall.
form what I saw campaign material was more geared towards Maini from integrity slate and turned a lot off.
-two people running for office instead Of full slate
- running on old issues
- not running on what they would do different.

it’s a democratic process and anyone can run, I’ll never speak ill of that. I am just putting out that what I observed during this process

[Teamsterstrong]

There Mailing said what they were doing !

[AlJackson1962!]

The 251 Teamsters: Your points are well stated, but the lack of members participating may also be because of complacency in the face of inaction by the entrenched Local 251 leadership. That despite members demanding better representation, they demands fall on deaf ears.

[Faust]

Local 251 has over 6000 members. Apparently only around 800 were motivated to send in their pre-addressed stamped envelope with their ballot. What does that say about the rank & file's motivation to make certain the entrenched leadership remains in office?

13% turnout?

[Thisischange?]

Congrats to the TDU mutton chop sellout no one cared to vote in your election. Enjoy your multiple salaries. Even better make a motion to eliminate them before you contribute your thousands of $$$$$ to this worthless group of phonies.

[Barry455]

Been following this election and I find it odd that it could be that close a race for a sitting International Vice President. Had the opponent had a full slate he would have won. Brother Taibi and company are vulnerable as hell, I wonder why. It usually means someones not doing their job. Three years to the next elecction plenty of time to build a good slate.

[Teamsterstrong]

Yes they have 3 years to get full slate talked to them this week they definitely gonna go again Orabona lost by 128 and during bullet voting count he had 179 Reeves had 24 Roberts had 113 Taibi had 67 it’s very attainable to beat these clowns !