Sean O'Brien, $20 is an insult!!

[952 Bulldog]

PT UPSers tell Sean O'Brien $20 is an insult!! O'Brien has been telling the media he's fighting to raise starting wages to $20 for PT Hub employees. Meanwhile MRAs across the country have starting wages well above the $20 mark, like hubs in Portland & Columbus to name a few. Anything below $25 starting wage would be a sell out! PT America doesn't work, neither does PT wages!!

[Faust]

PT UPSers tell Sean O'Brien $20 is an insult!! O'Brien has been telling the media he's fighting to raise starting wages to $20 for PT Hub employees. Meanwhile MRAs across the country have starting wages well above the $20 mark, like hubs in Portland & Columbus to name a few. Anything below $25 starting wage would be a sell out! PT America doesn't work, neither does PT wages!!

Atta Dog!!!

[Sasquatch16]

What would you recommend the wage for part-timers be? I agree $20 an hour isn’t much in large metropolitan areas but places like the Dakotas it gets you much further. You also have to factor in the benefits, retirement, & vacation that also is an expense for the company.

I think they need to get rid of the master rate and pay workers by the C.O.L a guy in Mississippi shouldn’t be making the same as a guy in San Francisco.

You’re the richest guy in Mississippi making $41.71 a hour while $41.71 in California you’re just scrapping by.

[Idle]

Well. I've heard this before. Teamsters bargain for all UPS drivers no matter where they work. The work is the same no matter where you work. I've heard t because teamsters say don't raise the minimun wage cause the price of goods will go up. No, the price goes up because they raise the price of fuel. UPS work is hard. Pay them for it.

[Br.Joe]

I would say the minimum we should accept for starting pay @ ups is $27. They word on the street is that is the most they paid to hirer part timers during the great resignation/ peak. So that should be 1 of the lines in the sand to strike over.

[Faust]

Philadelphia has an MRA of $22.

[The Direct Line]

$20 would be a concession to UPS. $25, anything less than that is a NO VOTE.

[Sasquatch16]

Do you know what the word concession means?

A $5 an hour raise right off the bat is not a concession.
You UPSers need to come back down to planet earth, no one gets a $5 raise right off the bat right away let alone through the lifetime of the agreement.

I was a freight guy at Roadway when we gave concessions.

15% reduction on our pay to be exact. A concession is when you give money back, not when you get a $5 an hour raise.

[Faust]

That 15% was beyond a concession. That was being taken to back woods and getting butt raped brother.

That was all Hoffa and Tyson Johnson. Every local joined them in the backwoods.

A Walmart driver on average makes well over $100k without paying any union dues and a matching 401k. Hoe much do YRC drivers make? Do they get a matching 401k after some lost their pension?

[Sasquatch16]

I won’t argue with you on that. That’s why I left the freight industry. I got into the freight industry when it was still alive. Freight is dead. Hoffa junior killed it. He was a p.o.s

As you know Yellow Transit System got kicked out of the Pension in the west that’s why I left. I know road drivers at Yellow who make 100k+ but that’s the minority. The only thing freight has left is the healthcare once that goes there’s no point. I don’t think the i.b.t will ever organize another freight company ever again. I do believe Yellow will go belly up under this current administration not that it will be their fault but let’s face it.

The i.b.t doesn’t care about anything else outside of u.p.s and they barely care about that. It’s the same song in dance the last 40 years. all these leaders care about are there multiple salaries & pensions. They don’t care about the members if they did they’d take 1 salary and invest the other 3 into the membership. As unpopular as Ron Carey was he was a true reformer and the old guard didn’t like that. That’s why the set him on bogus charges. I met Carey in 1996 he shook my hand and spoke to me and listened to my concerns. There will never be another Ron Carey and for t.d.u to compare O’Brien for Carey is an insult. Carey is rolling in his grave.

[Faust]

100% on point!!!

[TheMilitantTeamster]

Indeed, Teamsters Mobilize is pushing for $25 start wage, 75¢ per year of service catch up raises, and a 5% yearly raise starting in the 2nd year of the contract. The reasons $20 is concession are many:

1. $15.50 (top start under Hoffa-contract) vastly underpays workers in the industry. Amazon and FedEx are already paying above $20 in many major markets.
2. Inflation in the last 2.5 years alone has been over 20% nationally and more in various regions.
3. UPS has made the largest profits in its history due to incredible demand in 2020-2022 and is projected to continue to make significant profits in 2023.
4. Seniority must be rewarded. And new hires must make enough to survive. 25/75/5 brings up the base wage to what UPS is already paying in many places under the MRAs, ensures long serving workers get a fair pay increase, and will make sure everyone gets a raise that is higher than normal inflation (2.6% is the historical average)

[Faust]

Indeed, Teamsters Mobilize is pushing for $25 start wage, 75¢ per year of service catch up raises, and a 5% yearly raise starting in the 2nd year of the contract. The reasons $20 is concession are many:

1. $15.50 (top start under Hoffa-contract) vastly underpays workers in the industry. Amazon and FedEx are already paying above $20 in many major markets.
2. Inflation in the last 2.5 years alone has been over 20% nationally and more in various regions.
3. UPS has made the largest profits in its history due to incredible demand in 2020-2022 and is projected to continue to make significant profits in 2023.
4. Seniority must be rewarded. And new hires must make enough to survive. 25/75/5 brings up the base wage to what UPS is already paying in many places under the MRAs, ensures long serving workers get a fair pay increase, and will make sure everyone gets a raise that is higher than normal inflation (2.6% is the historical average)

So someone with 24 years as a part-timer would jump from $30 to over $48. That is more than a top rate driver.

I support part-timers and their pligh, bur this is unrealistic.

[TheMilitantTeamster]

It’s not unrealistic at all. ILWU secured wages for dockworkers—and this is an industry with smaller profit margins than UPS—with a top rate of $53+.

The top rate for RPCD will increase, must indeed increase, in the next contract.

What is unreasonable is that we live in a world where a hardworking, long suffering UPS inside worker being paid a middle class wage is considered “unrealistic” while several billionaires control more wealth than half the US population. What is unreasonable is that Carol Tomé gets a 400% increase in her salary and pay package, while $48 an hour for a 25 year PT worker is considered, by fellow union member, “unrealistic.”

What was once considered “unrealistic”?

Abolishing slavery
Women voting
8 hour workdays
Minimum Wage
Ending child labor
Civil Rights Acts
Marriage Equality

Time to move our expectations my dear union sibling!

[The Direct Line]

On the flip side, why is it realistic and acceptable that a driver with 10 years should make more than a part-timer with 24 years. All of our work is valuable. One job should not be held at a higher than another job. We have let the corporation devalue the pay for part-timers.

[Faust]

I support drastic improvements, but you have forgotten that the head negotiator is Sean O'Brien.

Did you forget what he did in 2013?

I'm glad part-timers are gonna be a nightmare for O'Brien if you organize and I will stand 100% with you guys in solidarity. You make two-thirds of the total UPS membership and can out vote full timers. I have never voted YES and am not starting now. I will vote No and push a No vote at my hub.

After O'Brien sided with Biden in the railroads and failed to accomplish anything in his first year i have zero faith in him.

[TheMilitantTeamster]

Oh definitely, O’Brien is as crooked as they come. I have no faith in him. Union leaders like O’Brien respond to two things: fear and opportunism. The point is to build a movement of PTers who believe they can—and deserve—25/75/5. In tandem, what I am doing besides raising expectations is organizing around walking away from a bad TA. That dual messaging may resonate with O’Brien’s fear/opportunism response.

[SlipSheets]

Didn't appreciate the Butt **ped comment! Someone suggested different rates for different areas, So that means we would have a 2, 3, 4,............ 26 tiered system? Hope my employer doesn't hear about that. NO THANKS, same work same pay. That's brotherhood. Its understood some areas have higher cost of living, but why should workers in other areas have to pay for that? Wouldn't a regional contract with a COL adjustment for higher areas be a better way?

[TheMilitantTeamster]

We move commercially shipped goods. At one point dockworkers were paid a pittance. Look at this contract—

[TheMilitantTeamster]