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  • sammo1245
    Member
    • May 2023
    • 58

    #16
    #1 Local 100 Straw Vote

    I think this straw vote is such a bad idea on several levels.

    Local 100 held their IBT mandated straw vote last night at the monthly nembership meeting.

    Local 100 has about 4500 members according the the LM2. During peak that number grows, during the summer when school bus drivers are off, it shrinks to about 3500.

    In our grand history, local 100 was a midwest powerhouse with 13,000 members. Chartered in 1913, Local 100 has proud legacy.

    Last night we had about 30 members present, including officers and agents. Of the 30 about 10 are unemployed (movies, construction) or identified by the local as retired.

    So during the meeting, during the reading of the minutes, financial reports and BA reports, one of the BAs, creeped around the room, hand delivering ballots to select members. As he explained the ballot to people, he often interrupted the meeting. It was poorly done.

    There was no public discussion about the issues, no opportunity to discuss the candidates, issues or the voting process.

    As the BA creeped around it more like the popular kid inviting only the cheerleaders to his secret party.

    As an unemployed movie driver (retired UPS driver), I was not included in their little poll vote. Infact, they tip-toed around the 10 of us that they denied a right to vote.

    I was told (they didn't bring a ballot close enough to see) included of course an opportunity to pick Biden or Trump.

    They also listed key campaign issues. Asking members to identify the most important items.

    One of the members came to me to complain that "the straw vote was rigged. it didn't even list the boarder crisis as an important issue." Which opens the door for Trump supporters to claim the poll was biased.

    For those that don't know Ohio, once a battleground state, it is now a clear red state. Many of our members vote Republican every election, even when it is clearly against their own interests.

    The completed ballots were placed in a steward election box. Security behind a $2 luggage pad lock. Which every BA and officer has a key to open.

    They were not counted in front of the members present. Again, no transparency to this at all.

    And only 66% of the members present were permitted to vote. At that point alone, this vote is improper.

    I surveyed the crowd, handful new DHL workers (not in the Central States), few bus drivers (not in CSPF), a couple of UPS drivers (not in the CSPF), a couple Zenith guys (no CSPF) and one guy from Bluelynx (not CSPF).

    I'm sure the officers and agents voted, four of them were absent for one reason or another. Of those, the recording secretary, all three trustees (are not CSPF). The full tine officers and agents are in the CSPF.

    At this point 20 people, many who have no idea how important it was that Biden saved multiemployer pensions for 10 million workers and their families and 440,000 Teamsters in the CSPF.

    20 people's votes are now representative for 4500 active members and the legacy of Local 100.

    In 1980, we had 13,000 members mostly freight drivers and mostly in the Central states pension.

    Every member has the right to vote for the candidate of their choice, but we elected IBT leaders to lead.

    If anything, this poll should have been conducted 6 months ago, before the IBT met with candidates.

    Nothing good can come from this straw vote.

    What happens if by chance (it could happen) the .5% of our members that vote in this poll, vote to endorse trump.

    And, his promised first act, is to support a National Right to work bill, which coukd cut Teamster membership by 500,000 members?

    This why we elect IBT officers. Sometimes we need a say, sometimes we need them to LEAD. In this instance, Joe Biden saved Teamster pensions, we need to show him some loyalty, show him some respect.

    The IBT's political theater is no better than the fake strikes last year. A bunch of double talk and no action.

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    • WTF891
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2024
      • 282

      #17
      What ever happened to the pissed off straight shooter Zuck the suck? He's just the little leprichauns butt boy now.We were sold a boatload of shit by these political stooges.

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      • Nickjamesups
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2023
        • 264

        #18
        Zuckerman never met a teamster president he didn’t like ! He supported at one time or another every president AND presidential candidate for the last 40 years! I guess he was only pissed when he was running! Think about it ! Hoffa , Carey , O’Brien, Gregare, Sylvester, Pope he either supported or ran with everybody, who dosent he like ? Oh yeah, when he ran with Pope and Sylvester he did not like O’Brien or Hoffa, called O’Brien a punk and wanted him fired.

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        • Thisischange?
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2023
          • 489

          #19
          A freaking liar and hypocrite.

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          • DanaCos
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2023
            • 970

            #20
            Originally posted by Nickjamesups
            Zuckerman never met a teamster president he didn’t like ! He supported at one time or another every president AND presidential candidate for the last 40 years! I guess he was only pissed when he was running! Think about it ! Hoffa , Carey , O’Brien, Gregare, Sylvester, Pope he either supported or ran with everybody, who dosent he like ? Oh yeah, when he ran with Pope and Sylvester he did not like O’Brien or Hoffa, called O’Brien a punk and wanted him fired.
            Zuckerman is a fuckin' pu$$y, PERIOD! I told people a long time ago he was no good. I tried calling him to work together after the first vote in 2013. I called his office 6 times. Never returned my call. He then called me when running for office. When I went to DC during the debate, I went down there with camera in hand, I was looking for him. I asked the campaign manager to speak to him on camera. He never came outside. People were upset with me. It never surprised me when Ken Hall pulled out the kiss ass letters at the debate. His campaign lawyers then tried to contact me about my Ken Hall confrontation video. They can eat a dick. The guys in Harrisburg know all about Zuckerman, then again, they all run Anti Hoffa then turn right to the red vest, just like that punk Abel Garcia. All these assholes want to do is, is use a cause to bolster their status especially Suckerman!

            Nothing has changed. Did all these people think that supporting the same people would change things? No, it's the same players playing the same games. Now we have the biggest punk running the union along with an ass kissing clown.

            Fred Zuckerman Cares.jpg

            CLERICAL MISTAKE MY ASS!!!!

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            • UnionistIBT
              Member
              • Jan 2024
              • 29

              #21
              Originally posted by Koldiww
              image.png​This is another example of the total lack of leadership and guts of oz! Leadership of a Union has an obligation to advise the membership of the best candidate who will do the most for workers, or at least, not hurt them any worse, and explain why. This decision has to be 100% focused on the issues that directly affect workers and their ability to support their families, and retire in some comfort and dignity. oz shirks this responsibility by polling the few members who will turn out. They are simply putting their internal politics in front of what is right for the members. They are placating their right wing, skin head base, simply put! My prediction; they are planning to use this, at best, to say the results are inconclusive, or at worst to say trump was the member's choice. Total and complete cowardice and a run away from what they were elected to do...lead. what a travesty to allow these buffoons to undermine all of labor!
              If your looking for leadership from OZ, thats not what their about. Rather their about eliminating Local union autonomy, consolidating authority and covering it all up with slick and expensive PR paid for with members money. Leaders is not a classification limited to officers. There are leaders in the Union but without a national network organizing is difficult at best and little is public because people on payrolls like the idea of staying there.

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              • Thisischange?
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2023
                • 489

                #22
                100% correct. This is a total power play and it began with them co-opting TDU and what was the Teamsters United success in the previous election. Fred ponied up with O'Brien/Rainville and stabbed everyone in the back.. They sold all of us a bucket of shit labeled a reform. These guys are political opportunists without a soul. They literally would do their own mothers if it served their goal of total control.

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                • Watcher745
                  Member
                  • Jul 2023
                  • 83

                  #23
                  I remember an old quote from long ago , “A representative owes the people not only his industry , but his judgement, and he betrays them if he sacrifices it to their opinion “ the quote is by Edmund Burke a member of the British Parliament .
                  What he is saying is when chosen to lead you should lead and not look for an excuse to do something you know is wrong.
                  1776

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                  • TheMilitantTeamster
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2023
                    • 396

                    #24
                    Independent Teamsters Organozing Committee is growing as an opposition to both the OZ and the bureaucracy that supports em
                    Check us out 160 members so far

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                    • AlJackson1962!
                      Member
                      • Apr 2024
                      • 29

                      #25
                      KoldIWW: I agree with you. Leaders are elected to lead. That O'Brien first met with right wing US Senators Hawley and Vance then had a private dinner with Trump in Mara Lago, says plenty.
                      Trump and his cohorts are racist, fascist self serving capitalists. Trump calls refugees at US borders "animals". Most of these people are fleeing poverty, violence, and desperation from countries where decades of US foreign policy has undermined popular movements for social change and economic justice. Workers in the US might ask themselves, what they would do, if they were faced with the same brutality these people are fleeing. O'Brien, by giving these right wing , anti-worker politicians, a platform, diminishes and dehumanizes people who are seeking what any worker seeks: a decent wage, and a decent quality of life. O'Brien and those who see him as some savior of the working class, might reread the IBT mission set forth in our IBT Constitution, and think about what it means.

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                      • DanaCos
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2023
                        • 970

                        #26
                        Originally posted by AlJackson1962!
                        KoldIWW: I agree with you. Leaders are elected to lead. That O'Brien first met with right wing US Senators Hawley and Vance then had a private dinner with Trump in Mara Lago, says plenty.
                        Trump and his cohorts are racist, fascist self serving capitalists. Trump calls refugees at US borders "animals". Most of these people are fleeing poverty, violence, and desperation from countries where decades of US foreign policy has undermined popular movements for social change and economic justice. Workers in the US might ask themselves, what they would do, if they were faced with the same brutality these people are fleeing. O'Brien, by giving these right wing , anti-worker politicians, a platform, diminishes and dehumanizes people who are seeking what any worker seeks: a decent wage, and a decent quality of life. O'Brien and those who see him as some savior of the working class, might reread the IBT mission set forth in our IBT Constitution, and think about what it means.
                        How many of these "refugees" do you have living in your house? How many union jobs will these people be applying for?

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                        • teamsterdriver25
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2023
                          • 175

                          #27
                          The answer is NO!!! They're just a bunch of C-Suckers getting a fat pockets. Taking care of all their buddies.

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                          • 25Medford
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2024
                            • 124

                            #28
                            Originally posted by WTF891
                            What ever happened to the pissed off straight shooter Zuck the suck? He's just the little leprichauns butt boy now.We were sold a boatload of shit by these political stooges.
                            Zuck is an honorary southie. I e love this guy in Boston. He is originally from New York, but we got past this. He is a strong throwback Teamster. Tough as nails. He is wicked to the employers like we are. That is part of the reason we love him.

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                            • Watcher745
                              Member
                              • Jul 2023
                              • 83

                              #29
                              Did you love him when he said he would have fired O’Brien for threatening the members of 251? Did you love him when he called O’Brien a thug? Did you love him when he fought against the supplements that O’Brien supported? Or did start loving him when he brought all the reform votes to a guy who NEVER would have received those votes without him? Did you love all the other friends of O’Brien? Aloise , Coli, Hoffa ,Hall and let’s not forget his Fenway buddy Mike Rosentrader ( UPS cochair of national panel )
                              Honorary Southie?

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                              • Nickjamesups
                                Nickjamesups commented
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                                Wasn’t Whitey Bolger a Southie?
                            • 25Medford
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2024
                              • 124

                              #30
                              Originally posted by Watcher745
                              Did you love him when he said he would have fired O’Brien for threatening the members of 251? Did you love him when he called O’Brien a thug? Did you love him when he fought against the supplements that O’Brien supported? Or did start loving him when he brought all the reform votes to a guy who NEVER would have received those votes without him? Did you love all the other friends of O’Brien? Aloise , Coli, Hoffa ,Hall and let’s not forget his Fenway buddy Mike Rosentrader ( UPS cochair of national panel )
                              Honorary Southie?
                              All you armchair union members use hindsight at 20/20. You are always right. You have gone nowhere and will never go anywhere. Your leaders are Edgar. Mark my words you will all be here 5 years from now with still no impact.

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